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	<description><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Barbara Winslow has been a political activist since she was a kid campaigning for Stevenson over Eisenhower in the 1950s. By the late 1960s she was a founding member of Seattle Radical Women and then Women's Liberation Seattle, groups that fought for legal abortion in Washington State years before Roe v. Wade. Her book, <em>Revolutionary Feminists</em>, is a hyperlocal history of that movement: the meetings, the splits, the leafleting, and the door-knocking that changed minds and the law. In this conversation, we focus on that success, and how it mirrors the challenges faced by today's activists.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Barbara explores the galvanizing events: a doctor who wouldn't let her sign her own medical consent form, a pro-life billboard that got corrected, and a viral (well, 1968-viral) confrontation with a Playboy Playmate. But our conversation doesn't shy away from the uncomfortable parts of feminist history. Barbara talks candidly about how her overwhelmingly white organizing group failed to build real coalition with Black women for Seattle's abortion referendum, and how that failure showed up starkly on election night when the only precincts that voted against the measure were in the city's Black neighborhoods. We hear about the importance of the fruitful dialogue with antiabortion Black activists like Fannie Lou Hamer.</p>



<p>"We have to find ways to find joy and peace and serenity in small victories. But I also think we have to find it in friendships, in family and in the arts. If you're in meetings 24 hours a day, you're not going to find joy. So you have to find a way to balance the political activism and the things that nourish your persona."</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">All of this history supports Barbara's advice to activists today: to understand how the Democratic Party's retreat from grassroots politics after the early '70s left an opening the right eagerly filled, how local school boards and library boards matter more right now than national races, and how—even in the middle of exhausting, often losing fights—she still believes, as she puts it, that the struggle is the joy.</p>











<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Barbara Winslow is Professor emerita Brooklyn College and founder and Director Emerita The Shirley Chisholm Project of Brooklyn Women's Activism. Barbara has been a political activist for over sixty years -&nbsp; in the Civil rights movement, as an ally in the Black Freedom Struggle, the labor union, public education, anti-war and anti imperialist movements and the women's liberation movements. She is a retired professor and author of books and articles on these topics, including </em>Revolutionary Feminists: The Women's Liberation Movement in Seattle<em>.
</em></p>





<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Books Mentioned</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><em><a href="https://dukeupress.edu/revolutionary-feminists">Revolutionary Feminists: The Women's Liberation Movement in Seattle</a></em> by Barbara Winslow (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1478019913?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> • <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9781478019916">Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><em><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/the-feminine-mystique/">The Feminine Mystique</a></em> by Betty Friedan (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393322572?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> • <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9780393346787">Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><em><a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674106536">Century of Struggle: The Woman's Rights Movement in the United States</a></em> by Eleanor Flexner (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0674106539?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> • <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9780674106536">Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><em><a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Our-Bodies-Ourselves/Boston-Womens-Health-Book-Collective/9781439190661">Our Bodies, Ourselves</a></em> by the Boston Women's Health Book Collective (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1439190666?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> • <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9781439190661">Bookshop.org</a>)</li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Publications &amp; Organizations Mentioned</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://socialism.com">Freedom Socialist Party</a></li>



<li><a href="https://now.org">National Organization for Women (NOW)</a></li>



<li><a href="https://reproductivefreedomforall.org">Reproductive Freedom for All</a> (formerly NARAL)</li>



<li><a href="https://www.plannedparenthood.org">Planned Parenthood</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.versobooks.com">Verso Books</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.brooklyn.edu/wgst/chisholm/">Shirley Chisholm Project of Brooklyn Women's Activism</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.dailyuw.com">The Daily</a> (University of Washington student newspaper)</li>



<li><a href="https://www.brooklynmuseum.org">Brooklyn Museum</a></li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Topics Discussed</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter">Black Lives Matter</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-wave_feminism">Second-wave feminism</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism">Trotskyism</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade">Roe v. Wade</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobbs_v._Jackson_Women%27s_Health_Organization">Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_International_Terrorist_Conspiracy_from_Hell">W.I.T.C.H. (Women's International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell)</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherri_Chessen">Sherri Chessen (Finkbine) and the thalidomide case</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women">Forced sterilization of Native American women</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_the_Vaginal_Orgasm">"The Myth of the Vaginal Orgasm" (Anne Koedt essay)</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Chisholm_1972_presidential_campaign">Shirley Chisholm's 1972 presidential campaign</a></li>



<li><a href="https://seattlemedium.com/">The Seattle Medium</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.thefactsnewspaper.com/">The Facts Seattle Newspaper</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Lou_Hamer">Fannie Lou Hamer</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem">Gloria Steinem</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_Too_movement">Me Too movement</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Angelou">Maya Angelou</a></li>



<li><a href="https://ohiostatepress.org/books/titles/9780814250983.html">Judith Ezekiel</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Fraser">Clara Fraser</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Stern">Susan Stern</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Schwerner">Michael "Mickey" Schwerner</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Goodman_(activist)">Andrew Goodman</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Friedan">Betty Friedan</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Leacock">Eleanor Leacock</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Cady_Stanton">Elizabeth Cady Stanton</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_B._Anthony">Susan B. Anthony</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sloan-Hunter">Margaret Sloan-Hunter</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnetta_Cole">Johnnetta Cole</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.historylink.org/File/2675">Marilyn Ward</a> (Washington state abortion-reform lobbyist)</li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Louise_Strong">Anna Louise Strong</a></li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Music</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Dazie_Mae/Seasonal_Affective_Disorder">The Miss &amp; the Man</a> by Dazie Mae, courtesy of the Free Music Archive</li>



<li><a href="https://babblery.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/OuttaSync_SukiWessling.mp3">Outta Sync</a> by Suki Wessling</li>
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	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Barbara Winslow has been a political activist since she was a kid campaigning for Stevenson over Eisenhower in the 1950s. By the late 1960s she was a founding member of Seattle Radical Women and then Womens Liberation Seattle, groups that fought for lega]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Barbara Winslow has been a political activist since she was a kid campaigning for Stevenson over Eisenhower in the 1950s. By the late 1960s she was a founding member of Seattle Radical Women and then Women's Liberation Seattle, groups that fought for legal abortion in Washington State years before Roe v. Wade. Her book, <em>Revolutionary Feminists</em>, is a hyperlocal history of that movement: the meetings, the splits, the leafleting, and the door-knocking that changed minds and the law. In this conversation, we focus on that success, and how it mirrors the challenges faced by today's activists.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Barbara explores the galvanizing events: a doctor who wouldn't let her sign her own medical consent form, a pro-life billboard that got corrected, and a viral (well, 1968-viral) confrontation with a Playboy Playmate. But our conversation doesn't shy away from the uncomfortable parts of feminist history. Barbara talks candidly about how her overwhelmingly white organizing group failed to build real coalition with Black women for Seattle's abortion referendum, and how that failure showed up starkly on election night when the only precincts that voted against the measure were in the city's Black neighborhoods. We hear about the importance of the fruitful dialogue with antiabortion Black activists like Fannie Lou Hamer.</p>



<p>"We have to find ways to find joy and peace and serenity in small victories. But I also think we have to find it in friendships, in family and in the arts. If you're in meetings 24 hours a day, you're not going to find joy. So you have to find a way to balance the political activism and the things that nourish your persona."</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">All of this history supports Barbara's advice to activists today: to understand how the Democratic Party's retreat from grassroots politics after the early '70s left an opening the right eagerly filled, how local school boards and library boards matter more right now than national races, and how—even in the middle of exhausting, often losing fights—she still believes, as she puts it, that the struggle is the joy.</p>











<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Barbara Winslow is Professor emerita Brooklyn College and founder and Director Emerita The Shirley Chisholm Project of Brooklyn Women's Activism. Barbara has been a political activist for over sixty years -&nbsp; in the Civil rights movement, as an ally in the Black Freedom Struggle, the labor union, public education, anti-war and anti imperialist movements and the women's liberation movements. She is a retired professor and author of books and articles on these topics, including </em>Revolutionary Feminists: The Women's Liberation Movement in Seattle<em>.
</em></p>





<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Books Mentioned</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><em><a href="https://dukeupress.edu/revolutionary-feminists">Revolutionary Feminists: The Women's Liberation Movement in Seattle</a></em> by Barbara Winslow (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1478019913?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> • <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9781478019916">Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><em><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/the-feminine-mystique/">The Feminine Mystique</a></em> by Betty Friedan (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0393322572?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> • <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9780393346787">Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><em><a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674106536">Century of Struggle: The Woman's Rights Movement in the United States</a></em> by Eleanor Flexner (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0674106539?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> • <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9780674106536">Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><em><a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Our-Bodies-Ourselves/Boston-Womens-Health-Book-Collective/9781439190661">Our Bodies, Ourselves</a></em> by the Boston Women's Health Book Collective (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1439190666?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> • <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9781439190661">Bookshop.org</a>)</li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Publications &amp; Organizations Mentioned</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://socialism.com">Freedom Socialist Party</a></li>



<li><a href="https://now.org">National Organization for Women (NOW)</a></li>



<li><a href="https://reproductivefreedomforall.org">Reproductive Freedom for All</a> (formerly NARAL)</li>



<li><a href="https://www.plannedparenthood.org">Planned Parenthood</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.versobooks.com">Verso Books</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.brooklyn.edu/wgst/chisholm/">Shirley Chisholm Project of Brooklyn Women's Activism</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.dailyuw.com">The Daily</a> (University of Washington student newspaper)</li>



<li><a href="https://www.brooklynmuseum.org">Brooklyn Museum</a></li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Topics Discussed</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter">Black Lives Matter</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-wave_feminism">Second-wave feminism</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism">Trotskyism</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade">Roe v. Wade</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobbs_v._Jackson_Women%27s_Health_Organization">Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_International_Terrorist_Conspiracy_from_Hell">W.I.T.C.H. (Women's International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell)</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherri_Chessen">Sherri Chessen (Finkbine) and the thalidomide case</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women">Forced sterilization of Native American women</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_the_Vaginal_Orgasm">"The Myth of the Vaginal Orgasm" (Anne Koedt essay)</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Chisholm_1972_presidential_campaign">Shirley Chisholm's 1972 presidential campaign</a></li>



<li><a href="https://seattlemedium.com/">The Seattle Medium</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.thefactsnewspaper.com/">The Facts Seattle Newspaper</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Lou_Hamer">Fannie Lou Hamer</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem">Gloria Steinem</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_Too_movement">Me Too movement</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Angelou">Maya Angelou</a></li>



<li><a href="https://ohiostatepress.org/books/titles/9780814250983.html">Judith Ezekiel</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Fraser">Clara Fraser</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Stern">Susan Stern</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Schwerner">Michael "Mickey" Schwerner</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Goodman_(activist)">Andrew Goodman</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Friedan">Betty Friedan</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Leacock">Eleanor Leacock</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Cady_Stanton">Elizabeth Cady Stanton</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_B._Anthony">Susan B. Anthony</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sloan-Hunter">Margaret Sloan-Hunter</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnetta_Cole">Johnnetta Cole</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.historylink.org/File/2675">Marilyn Ward</a> (Washington state abortion-reform lobbyist)</li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Louise_Strong">Anna Louise Strong</a></li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Music</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Dazie_Mae/Seasonal_Affective_Disorder">The Miss &amp; the Man</a> by Dazie Mae, courtesy of the Free Music Archive</li>



<li><a href="https://babblery.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/OuttaSync_SukiWessling.mp3">Outta Sync</a> by Suki Wessling</li>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Barbara Winslow has been a political activist since she was a kid campaigning for Stevenson over Eisenhower in the 1950s. By the late 1960s she was a founding member of Seattle Radical Women and then Women's Liberation Seattle, groups that fought for legal abortion in Washington State years before Roe v. Wade. Her book, Revolutionary Feminists, is a hyperlocal history of that movement: the meetings, the splits, the leafleting, and the door-knocking that changed minds and the law. In this conversation, we focus on that success, and how it mirrors the challenges faced by today's activists.



Barbara explores the galvanizing events: a doctor who wouldn't let her sign her own medical consent form, a pro-life billboard that got corrected, and a viral (well, 1968-viral) confrontation with a Playboy Playmate. But our conversation doesn't shy away from the uncomfortable parts of feminist history. Barbara talks candidly about how her overwhelmingly white organizing group failed to build real coalition with Black women for Seattle's abortion referendum, and how that failure showed up starkly on election night when the only precincts that voted against the measure were in the city's Black neighborhoods. We hear about the importance of the fruitful dialogue with antiabortion Black activists like Fannie Lou Hamer.



"We have to find ways to find joy and peace and serenity in small victories. But I also think we have to find it in friendships, in family and in the arts. If you're in meetings 24 hours a day, you're not going to find joy. So you have to find a way to balance the political activism and the things that nourish your persona."



All of this history supports Barbara's advice to activists today: to understand how the Democratic Party's retreat from grassroots politics after the early '70s left an opening the right eagerly filled, how local school boards and library boards matter more right now than national races, and how—even in the middle of exhausting, often losing fights—she still believes, as she puts it, that the struggle is the joy.











Barbara Winslow is Professor emerita Brooklyn College and founder and Director Emerita The Shirley Chisholm Project of Brooklyn Women's Activism. Barbara has been a political activist for over sixty years -&nbsp; in the Civil rights movement, as an ally in the Black Freedom Struggle, the labor union, public education, anti-war and anti imperialist movements and the women's liberation movements. She is a retired professor and author of books and articles on these topics, including Revolutionary Feminists: The Women's Liberation Movement in Seattle.






Books Mentioned




Revolutionary Feminists: The Women's Liberation Movement in Seattle by Barbara Winslow (Amazon • Bookshop.org)



The Feminine Mystique by Betty Friedan (Amazon • Bookshop.org)



Century of Struggle: The Woman's Rights Movement in the United States by Eleanor Flexner (Amazon • Bookshop.org)



Our Bodies, Ourselves by the Boston Women's Health Book Collective (Amazon • Bookshop.org)




Publications &amp; Organizations Mentioned




Freedom Socialist Party



National Organization for Women (NOW)



Reproductive Freedom for All (formerly NARAL)



Planned Parenthood



Verso Books



Shirley Chisholm Project of Brooklyn Women's Activism



The Daily (University of Washington student newspaper)



Brooklyn Museum




Topics Discussed




Black Lives Matter



Second-wave feminism



Trotskyism



Roe v. Wade



Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization



W.I.T.C.H. (Women's International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell)



Sherri Chessen (Finkbine) and the thalidomide case



Forced sterilization of Native American women



"The Myth of the Vaginal Orgasm" (Anne Koedt essay)



Shirley Chisholm's 1972 presidential campaign



The Seattle Medium



The Facts Seattle Newspaper



Fannie Lou Hamer



Gloria Steinem



Me Too movement



Maya Angelou



Judith Ezekiel



Clara Fraser



Susan Stern



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Barbara explores the galvanizing events: a doctor who wouldn't let her sign her own medical consent form, a pro-life billboard that got corrected, and a viral (well, 1968-viral) confrontation with a Playboy Playmate. But our conversation doesn't shy away from the uncomfortable parts of feminist history. Barbara talks candidly about how her overwhelmingly white organizing group failed to build real ]]></googleplay:description>
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<li>"<a href="https://babblery.com/2026/07/a-spell-to-keep-us-human-in-conversation-with-enid-baxter-ryce/">A Spell to Keep Us Human: In conversation with author and artist Enid Baxter Ryce</a>"—please visit for links and more information</li>
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<li>"<a href="https://babblery.com/2026/07/a-spell-to-keep-us-human-in-conversation-with-enid-baxter-ryce/">A Spell to Keep Us Human: In conversation with author and artist Enid Baxter Ryce</a>"—please visit for links and more information</li>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Artist, author, educator—Enid Baxter Ryce is on a roll. She's changed her careers on both sides: In her creative work, she is now publishing books rather than working with museums. As an educator, she is using her experience teaching students of all ages to train teachers on how to get students off their screens and back into the natural world.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">These changes have been heralded by a sudden-seeming blossoming of publishing activity on her part, beautifully illustrated books that explore the natural and spiritual worlds. But in this conversation, Enid explains how this work—four publications in a span of two years—is the culmination of years of experience and research. From the child who grew up "feral" in the woods to the woman who considers librarians co-conspirators in her research adventures, Enid pours her whole self into her work. She's no luddite—she's a practical user of technology and AI who wants to convince you not to leave nature behind.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Roll up your sleeves, put down your screen, and accept Enid's challenge. She'll lead you to look closely at the lives we are living and how we can make meaning and beauty amidst the chaos of our digital lives.</p>



<p>"I wanted to give people a sense of connection across time. That when you're feeling lonely, you are not alone—that is a human feeling. And when you're feeling angry, you're also part of a grand tradition of anger... Poetry is magical because it juxtaposes words that we see regularly and makes them magical again."</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">More information:</h2>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Books by Enid Baxter Ryce:</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><em>Ancient Spells and Incantations: Echoes of Magic Through the Ages and Across Cultures</em> (<a href="https://amzn.to/44LiRWg">Amazon</a> | <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9781578639021">Bookshop</a>)</li>



<li><em>Plant Magic at Home: A Complete Guide to Harnessing the Power of Nature from Rituals to DIYs</em> (<a href="https://amzn.to/4gDqfuj">Amazon</a> | <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9780762488896">Bookshop</a>)</li>



<li><em>The Borderlands Tarot/ El Tarot de Tierras Fronterizas</em> (<a href="https://amzn.to/4eIz30r">Amazon</a> | <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9780762486229">Bookshop</a>)</li>



<li><em>Field Guide to Fort Ord</em> (<a href="https://amzn.to/4eUtIlw">Amazon</a> | <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9781714765683">Bookshop</a>)</li>



<li><em>Grace Flows Through You: 101 Spiritual Verses from Around the World</em> (<a href="https://amzn.to/4p76ZaK">Amazon</a> | <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9798881611231">Bookshop</a>)</li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Publications &amp; Organizations Mentioned</strong></h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://enidryce.com/">Enid Baxter Ryce's website</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.getty.edu/whats-on/pst-art-art-science-collide/">Getty (Pacific Standard Time)</a></li>



<li><a href="https://mexicalibiennial.com/">Mexicali Biennial</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/imprint/running-press-group/running-press-adult/">Running Press</a></li>



<li><a href="https://cooper.edu/">Cooper Union</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.yale.edu/">Yale University</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.moore.edu/">Moore College of Art &amp; Design</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.marketplace.org/story/2026/01/26/most-americans-concerned-about-ai-even-as-it-drives-economy">Marketplace (NPR) featuring Enid Ryce</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/archive?search=ai+psychosis&amp;op=Search">Psychology Today: AI Psychosis</a></li>



<li><a href="https://highlightsfoundation.org/">Highlights Foundation</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.chabad.org/">Chabad</a></li>



<li><a href="http://bowlingalone.com/"><em>Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community</em></a> by Robert D. Putnam (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1982130849?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> |<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9781982130848"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>List 3: Topics Discussed</strong></h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot">Tarot</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incantation_bowl">Incantation bowl</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language">Proto-Indo-European language</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum">Autism spectrum</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs">Maslow's hierarchy of needs</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_survivors">Holocaust survivors</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials">Salem witch trials</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.techlearning.com/news/the-screen-inferiority-effect-how-screens-affect-reading-comprehension">Screen inferiority effect</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatbot_psychosis">Chatbot psychosis (AI psychosis)</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_divide">Digital divide</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity">Neuroplasticity</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_offloading">Cognitive load / cognitive offloading</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_capital">Social capital</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_and_adolescent_mental_health">Social media and mental health</a></li>
</ul>











<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Enid Baxter Ryce is an award-winning author, artist, and professor. Enid has exhibited internationally at museums and festivals, including the National Gallery of Art in Washington, D.C., the Library of Congress, the Arnolfini, the Getty, and the Harvard Film Archive. Her work has been featured in The New York Times, People en Español, The Los Angeles Times, on CBS Radio News, NPR, and numerous other publications. She was co-PI on a five-year, $1.25 million National Institutes of Health grant and a researcher on a Getty Foundation PST Project in collaboration with the Huntington Botanical Gardens. Enid is a former guest curator for the MexiCali Biennial and the Philip Glass Center for Art, Science, and the Environment, where she created her film War and the Weather, featuring the music of Philip Glass. Enid has held fellowships from the National Academy of Sciences, the Getty Foundation, Western Growers and Shippers, and Yale University. Most recently, she was a fellow of the Sephardic Stories Initiative at the Harold Grinspoon Foundation, which awarded her novel manuscript, Beware the Azulay: A Pirate’s Tale, a Jewish Stories Award. She has an MFA in Visual Arts, having studied at The Cooper Union and Claremont Graduate University. Enid is Professor of Cinematic Arts, focusing on Scientific and Historical Storytelling at CSU Monterey Bay.</p>





<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Music:</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>"<a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Karyn_Ellis/Even_Though_The_Sky_Was_Falling/Karyn_Ellis_-_Even_Though_The_Sky_Was_Falling_-_10_Beauty/">Beauty</a>" by Karyn Ellis, courtesy of FreeMusicArchive.org</li>



<li>"<a href="https://babblery.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Magic-Flute-Combined-Input-and-Output.mp3">Magic Flute</a>" by Suki Wessling</li>
</ul>





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	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Artist, author, educator—Enid Baxter Ryce is on a roll. Shes changed her careers on both sides: In her creative work, she is now publishing books rather than working with museums. As an educator, she is using her experience teaching students of all ages ]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Artist, author, educator—Enid Baxter Ryce is on a roll. She's changed her careers on both sides: In her creative work, she is now publishing books rather than working with museums. As an educator, she is using her experience teaching students of all ages to train teachers on how to get students off their screens and back into the natural world.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">These changes have been heralded by a sudden-seeming blossoming of publishing activity on her part, beautifully illustrated books that explore the natural and spiritual worlds. But in this conversation, Enid explains how this work—four publications in a span of two years—is the culmination of years of experience and research. From the child who grew up "feral" in the woods to the woman who considers librarians co-conspirators in her research adventures, Enid pours her whole self into her work. She's no luddite—she's a practical user of technology and AI who wants to convince you not to leave nature behind.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Roll up your sleeves, put down your screen, and accept Enid's challenge. She'll lead you to look closely at the lives we are living and how we can make meaning and beauty amidst the chaos of our digital lives.</p>



<p>"I wanted to give people a sense of connection across time. That when you're feeling lonely, you are not alone—that is a human feeling. And when you're feeling angry, you're also part of a grand tradition of anger... Poetry is magical because it juxtaposes words that we see regularly and makes them magical again."</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">More information:</h2>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Books by Enid Baxter Ryce:</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><em>Ancient Spells and Incantations: Echoes of Magic Through the Ages and Across Cultures</em> (<a href="https://amzn.to/44LiRWg">Amazon</a> | <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9781578639021">Bookshop</a>)</li>



<li><em>Plant Magic at Home: A Complete Guide to Harnessing the Power of Nature from Rituals to DIYs</em> (<a href="https://amzn.to/4gDqfuj">Amazon</a> | <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9780762488896">Bookshop</a>)</li>



<li><em>The Borderlands Tarot/ El Tarot de Tierras Fronterizas</em> (<a href="https://amzn.to/4eIz30r">Amazon</a> | <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9780762486229">Bookshop</a>)</li>



<li><em>Field Guide to Fort Ord</em> (<a href="https://amzn.to/4eUtIlw">Amazon</a> | <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9781714765683">Bookshop</a>)</li>



<li><em>Grace Flows Through You: 101 Spiritual Verses from Around the World</em> (<a href="https://amzn.to/4p76ZaK">Amazon</a> | <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9798881611231">Bookshop</a>)</li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Publications &amp; Organizations Mentioned</strong></h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://enidryce.com/">Enid Baxter Ryce's website</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.getty.edu/whats-on/pst-art-art-science-collide/">Getty (Pacific Standard Time)</a></li>



<li><a href="https://mexicalibiennial.com/">Mexicali Biennial</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/imprint/running-press-group/running-press-adult/">Running Press</a></li>



<li><a href="https://cooper.edu/">Cooper Union</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.yale.edu/">Yale University</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.moore.edu/">Moore College of Art &amp; Design</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.marketplace.org/story/2026/01/26/most-americans-concerned-about-ai-even-as-it-drives-economy">Marketplace (NPR) featuring Enid Ryce</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/archive?search=ai+psychosis&amp;op=Search">Psychology Today: AI Psychosis</a></li>



<li><a href="https://highlightsfoundation.org/">Highlights Foundation</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.chabad.org/">Chabad</a></li>



<li><a href="http://bowlingalone.com/"><em>Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community</em></a> by Robert D. Putnam (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1982130849?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> |<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9781982130848"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>List 3: Topics Discussed</strong></h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarot">Tarot</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incantation_bowl">Incantation bowl</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language">Proto-Indo-European language</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum">Autism spectrum</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs">Maslow's hierarchy of needs</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_survivors">Holocaust survivors</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials">Salem witch trials</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.techlearning.com/news/the-screen-inferiority-effect-how-screens-affect-reading-comprehension">Screen inferiority effect</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatbot_psychosis">Chatbot psychosis (AI psychosis)</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_divide">Digital divide</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity">Neuroplasticity</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_offloading">Cognitive load / cognitive offloading</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_capital">Social capital</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_and_adolescent_mental_health">Social media and mental health</a></li>
</ul>











<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Enid Baxter Ryce is an award-winning author, artist, and professor. Enid has exhibited internationally at museums and festivals, including the National Gallery of Art in Washington, D.C., the Library of Congress, the Arnolfini, the Getty, and the Harvard Film Archive. Her work has been featured in The New York Times, People en Español, The Los Angeles Times, on CBS Radio News, NPR, and numerous other publications. She was co-PI on a five-year, $1.25 million National Institutes of Health grant and a researcher on a Getty Foundation PST Project in collaboration with the Huntington Botanical Gardens. Enid is a former guest curator for the MexiCali Biennial and the Philip Glass Center for Art, Science, and the Environment, where she created her film War and the Weather, featuring the music of Philip Glass. Enid has held fellowships from the National Academy of Sciences, the Getty Foundation, Western Growers and Shippers, and Yale University. Most recently, she was a fellow of the Sephardic Stories Initiative at the Harold Grinspoon Foundation, which awarded her novel manuscript, Beware the Azulay: A Pirate’s Tale, a Jewish Stories Award. She has an MFA in Visual Arts, having studied at The Cooper Union and Claremont Graduate University. Enid is Professor of Cinematic Arts, focusing on Scientific and Historical Storytelling at CSU Monterey Bay.</p>





<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Music:</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>"<a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Karyn_Ellis/Even_Though_The_Sky_Was_Falling/Karyn_Ellis_-_Even_Though_The_Sky_Was_Falling_-_10_Beauty/">Beauty</a>" by Karyn Ellis, courtesy of FreeMusicArchive.org</li>



<li>"<a href="https://babblery.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/07/Magic-Flute-Combined-Input-and-Output.mp3">Magic Flute</a>" by Suki Wessling</li>
</ul>





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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Artist, author, educator—Enid Baxter Ryce is on a roll. She's changed her careers on both sides: In her creative work, she is now publishing books rather than working with museums. As an educator, she is using her experience teaching students of all ages to train teachers on how to get students off their screens and back into the natural world.



These changes have been heralded by a sudden-seeming blossoming of publishing activity on her part, beautifully illustrated books that explore the natural and spiritual worlds. But in this conversation, Enid explains how this work—four publications in a span of two years—is the culmination of years of experience and research. From the child who grew up "feral" in the woods to the woman who considers librarians co-conspirators in her research adventures, Enid pours her whole self into her work. She's no luddite—she's a practical user of technology and AI who wants to convince you not to leave nature behind.



Roll up your sleeves, put down your screen, and accept Enid's challenge. She'll lead you to look closely at the lives we are living and how we can make meaning and beauty amidst the chaos of our digital lives.



"I wanted to give people a sense of connection across time. That when you're feeling lonely, you are not alone—that is a human feeling. And when you're feeling angry, you're also part of a grand tradition of anger... Poetry is magical because it juxtaposes words that we see regularly and makes them magical again."



More information:



Books by Enid Baxter Ryce:




Ancient Spells and Incantations: Echoes of Magic Through the Ages and Across Cultures (Amazon | Bookshop)



Plant Magic at Home: A Complete Guide to Harnessing the Power of Nature from Rituals to DIYs (Amazon | Bookshop)



The Borderlands Tarot/ El Tarot de Tierras Fronterizas (Amazon | Bookshop)



Field Guide to Fort Ord (Amazon | Bookshop)



Grace Flows Through You: 101 Spiritual Verses from Around the World (Amazon | Bookshop)




Publications &amp; Organizations Mentioned




Enid Baxter Ryce's website



Getty (Pacific Standard Time)



Mexicali Biennial



Running Press



Cooper Union



Yale University



Moore College of Art &amp; Design



Marketplace (NPR) featuring Enid Ryce



Psychology Today: AI Psychosis



Highlights Foundation



Chabad



Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community by Robert D. Putnam (Amazon | Bookshop.org)




List 3: Topics Discussed




Tarot



Incantation bowl



Proto-Indo-European language



Autism spectrum



Maslow's hierarchy of needs



Holocaust survivors



Salem witch trials



Screen inferiority effect



Chatbot psychosis (AI psychosis)



Digital divide



Neuroplasticity



Cognitive load / cognitive offloading



Social capital



Social media and mental health












Enid Baxter Ryce is an award-winning author, artist, and professor. Enid has exhibited internationally at museums and festivals, including the National Gallery of Art in Washington, D.C., the Library of Congress, the Arnolfini, the Getty, and the Harvard Film Archive. Her work has been featured in The New York Times, People en Español, The Los Angeles Times, on CBS Radio News, NPR, and numerous other publications. She was co-PI on a five-year, $1.25 million National Institutes of Health grant and a researcher on a Getty Foundation PST Project in collaboration with the Huntington Botanical Gardens. Enid is a former guest curator for the MexiCali Biennial and the Philip Glass Center for Art, Science, and the Environment, where she created her film War and the Weather, featuring the music of Philip Glass. Enid has held fellowships from the National Academy of Sciences, the Getty Foundation, Western Growers and Shippers, and Yale University. Most recently, she was a fellow of the Sephardic Stories Initiative at the Harold Grinspoon Foundation, which awarded her novel manuscript, Beware the Azulay: A Pirate’s Tale, a Jewish Stories Award. She has an MFA in Visual ]]></itunes:summary>
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These changes have been heralded by a sudden-seeming blossoming of publishing activity on her part, beautifully illustrated books that explore the natural and spiritual worlds. But in this conversation, Enid explains how this work—four publications in a span of two years—is the culmination of years of experience and research. From the child who grew up "feral" in the woods to the woman who considers librarians co-conspirators in her research adventures, Enid pours her whole self into her work. She's no luddite—she's a practical user of technology and AI who wants to convince you not to leave nature behind.



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	<title>Living Within the Questions with Merle Hoffman</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[Women's Healthcare Pioneer:



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When abortion became legal in New York State in 1970, Merle Hoffman didn't celebrate—she got to work. While others were still absorbing the news, she opened one of the first standalone women's health clinics in the country. No medical guidelines existed for a procedure that had only ever been done in secret, so she wrote them. Her patients didn't know their rights, so she wrote those down, too—a document that became the blueprint for the federal Patient's Bill of Rights.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Fifty-plus years later, Hoffman is still at it—still running Choices Women's Medical Center in Queens, still fighting, and still asking the questions that don't have easy answers.</p>



<p>"It's an intrinsic trust in myself, which I've always noticed and always had. Things come to me and I feel them organically, and I want to do this, and I trust that my decision is the right decision. And I follow my own voice."</p>




<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To call Merle Hoffman the owner of an abortion clinic is only to scratch the surface of her complexity. She's a pianist, a philosopher, an activist, a mother, and an adventurer in the world of spirituality. This is a conversation about courage, conviction, and what happens when we decide to trust ourselves.</p>




<p>"I can live in the question. I don't have to know. I don't know if we'll ever know. But the question is so incomparably deep, profound, interesting, frustrating."</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Related:</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://babblery.com/2026/06/minibabble-merle-hoffman-follows-her-own-voice/">Minibabble: Merle Hoffman follows her own voice</a></li>
</ul>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Mentioned in this episode</h2>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Books</strong></h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://merlehoffman.com/work-activism/intimate-wars/"><em>Intimate Wars: The Life and Times of the Woman Who Brought Abortion from the Back Alley to the Boardroom</em></a> by Merle Hoffman (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Intimate-Wars-Times-Brought-Abortion/dp/1558617515?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> •<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9781558617513"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><a href="https://merlehoffman.com/work-activism/choices-a-post-roe-abortion-rights-manifesto/"><em>CHOICES: A Post-Roe Abortion Rights Manifesto</em></a> by Merle Hoffman (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Choices-Post-Roe-Abortion-Rights-Manifesto/dp/1510776796?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> •<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/choices-a-post-roe-abortion-rights-manifesto-merle-hoffman/19011257?affiliate=55630"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><a href="https://ourbodiesourselves.org/"><em>Our Bodies, Ourselves</em></a> by the Boston Women's Health Book Collective (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Bodies-Ourselves-Boston-Womens-Collective/dp/1439190666?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> •<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/our-bodies-ourselves/1a6eaadc72ac4c28?affiliate=55630"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Politics"><em>Sexual Politics</em></a> by Kate Millett (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Sexual-Politics-Kate-Millett/dp/0231174241?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> •<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/sexual-politics-kate-millett/4e01f420b32e19d1?affiliate=55630"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><a href="https://www.chicagoreviewpress.com/women-and-madness-products-9781641600361.php"><em>Women and Madness</em></a> by Phyllis Chesler (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Women-Madness-Phyllis-Chesler/dp/1641600365?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> •<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/women-and-madness-phyllis-chesler/967442?affiliate=55630"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus"><em>The Myth of Sisyphus</em></a> by Albert Camus (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Sisyphus-Albert-Camus/dp/0679733736?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> •<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-myth-of-sisyphus-albert-camus/143fda5406d4a4f3?affiliate=55630"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%27s_Search_for_Meaning"><em>Man's Search for Meaning</em></a> by Viktor Frankl (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mans-Search-Meaning-Viktor-Frankl/dp/0807014273?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> •<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/man-s-search-for-meaning-viktor-e-frankl/8996943?affiliate=55630"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Publications &amp; Organizations</strong></h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://choicesmedical.com/">Choices Women's Medical Center</a></li>



<li><a href="https://ontheissuesmagazine.com/">On the Issues Magazine</a></li>



<li><a href="https://choicesglobalinstitute.com/">Choices Global Institute</a></li>



<li><a href="https://nationalabortionfederation.org/">National Abortion Federation</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coalition_of_Abortion_Providers">National Coalition of Abortion Providers</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Pro-Choice_Coalition">New York Pro-Choice Coalition</a></li>



<li><a href="https://riseup4abortionrights.org/">Rise Up 4 Abortion Rights</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.plannedparenthood.org/">Planned Parenthood</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.thomasmoresociety.org/">Thomas More Society</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmblemHealth">HIP (Health Insurance Plan of Greater New York)</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.kp.org/">Kaiser Permanente</a></li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Topics discussed</strong></h3>





<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States">Abortion rights in the United States</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade">Roe v. Wade</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobbs_v._Jackson_Women%27s_Health_Organization">Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment">Hyde Amendment</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_health">Women's health</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Hyde">Henry Hyde</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell">Jerry Falwell</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient%27s_Bill_of_Rights">Patient's Bill of Rights</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy">Patriarchy</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-wave_feminism">Second-wave feminism</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem">Gloria Steinem</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment">Equal Rights Amendment</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein">Jeffrey Epstein</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_Bessette-Kennedy">Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florynce_Kennedy">Florynce Kennedy</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Baird">Bill Baird</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism">Absurdism</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Frankl">Viktor Frankl / Logotherapy</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus">Sisyphus</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde">Oscar Wilde</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud">Sigmund Freud</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence">Artificial intelligence</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_More">Thomas More</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_I">Elizabeth I of England</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary,_Queen_of_Scots">Mary, Queen of Scots</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science">Christian Science</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses">Jehovah's Witnesses</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_psychology">Social psychology</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_rights">Animal rights</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid">Medicaid</a></li>



<li><a href="https://blacklivesmatter.com/">Black Lives Matter</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Russia">Abortion in Russia</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queens_College,_City_University_of_New_York">Queens College, CUNY</a></li>
</ul>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">About Merle Hoffman</h2>











<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Merle Hoffman is an internationally known leader in the struggle for women’s rights, a healthcare pioneer, founder of women’s health, political, and reproductive rights organizations, and a prize-winning writer and publisher. Her work spans 52 years and continues today, proving to be more essential and relevant than ever in the ongoing fight for women’s human rights, including the ability to make their own reproductive choices.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="http://www.merlehoffman.com/">About Merle Hoffman</a></p>]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Womens Healthcare Pioneer:



When abortion became legal in New York State in 1970, Merle Hoffman didnt celebrate—she got to work. While others were still absorbing the news, she opened one of the first standalone womens health clinics in the country. No]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Women's Healthcare Pioneer:



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When abortion became legal in New York State in 1970, Merle Hoffman didn't celebrate—she got to work. While others were still absorbing the news, she opened one of the first standalone women's health clinics in the country. No medical guidelines existed for a procedure that had only ever been done in secret, so she wrote them. Her patients didn't know their rights, so she wrote those down, too—a document that became the blueprint for the federal Patient's Bill of Rights.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Fifty-plus years later, Hoffman is still at it—still running Choices Women's Medical Center in Queens, still fighting, and still asking the questions that don't have easy answers.</p>



<p>"It's an intrinsic trust in myself, which I've always noticed and always had. Things come to me and I feel them organically, and I want to do this, and I trust that my decision is the right decision. And I follow my own voice."</p>




<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To call Merle Hoffman the owner of an abortion clinic is only to scratch the surface of her complexity. She's a pianist, a philosopher, an activist, a mother, and an adventurer in the world of spirituality. This is a conversation about courage, conviction, and what happens when we decide to trust ourselves.</p>




<p>"I can live in the question. I don't have to know. I don't know if we'll ever know. But the question is so incomparably deep, profound, interesting, frustrating."</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Related:</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://babblery.com/2026/06/minibabble-merle-hoffman-follows-her-own-voice/">Minibabble: Merle Hoffman follows her own voice</a></li>
</ul>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Mentioned in this episode</h2>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Books</strong></h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://merlehoffman.com/work-activism/intimate-wars/"><em>Intimate Wars: The Life and Times of the Woman Who Brought Abortion from the Back Alley to the Boardroom</em></a> by Merle Hoffman (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Intimate-Wars-Times-Brought-Abortion/dp/1558617515?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> •<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/55630/9781558617513"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><a href="https://merlehoffman.com/work-activism/choices-a-post-roe-abortion-rights-manifesto/"><em>CHOICES: A Post-Roe Abortion Rights Manifesto</em></a> by Merle Hoffman (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Choices-Post-Roe-Abortion-Rights-Manifesto/dp/1510776796?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> •<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/choices-a-post-roe-abortion-rights-manifesto-merle-hoffman/19011257?affiliate=55630"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><a href="https://ourbodiesourselves.org/"><em>Our Bodies, Ourselves</em></a> by the Boston Women's Health Book Collective (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Bodies-Ourselves-Boston-Womens-Collective/dp/1439190666?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> •<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/our-bodies-ourselves/1a6eaadc72ac4c28?affiliate=55630"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Politics"><em>Sexual Politics</em></a> by Kate Millett (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Sexual-Politics-Kate-Millett/dp/0231174241?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> •<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/sexual-politics-kate-millett/4e01f420b32e19d1?affiliate=55630"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><a href="https://www.chicagoreviewpress.com/women-and-madness-products-9781641600361.php"><em>Women and Madness</em></a> by Phyllis Chesler (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Women-Madness-Phyllis-Chesler/dp/1641600365?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> •<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/women-and-madness-phyllis-chesler/967442?affiliate=55630"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus"><em>The Myth of Sisyphus</em></a> by Albert Camus (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Sisyphus-Albert-Camus/dp/0679733736?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> •<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-myth-of-sisyphus-albert-camus/143fda5406d4a4f3?affiliate=55630"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%27s_Search_for_Meaning"><em>Man's Search for Meaning</em></a> by Viktor Frankl (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mans-Search-Meaning-Viktor-Frankl/dp/0807014273?tag=avantparen-20">Amazon</a> •<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/man-s-search-for-meaning-viktor-e-frankl/8996943?affiliate=55630"> Bookshop.org</a>)</li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Publications &amp; Organizations</strong></h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://choicesmedical.com/">Choices Women's Medical Center</a></li>



<li><a href="https://ontheissuesmagazine.com/">On the Issues Magazine</a></li>



<li><a href="https://choicesglobalinstitute.com/">Choices Global Institute</a></li>



<li><a href="https://nationalabortionfederation.org/">National Abortion Federation</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coalition_of_Abortion_Providers">National Coalition of Abortion Providers</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Pro-Choice_Coalition">New York Pro-Choice Coalition</a></li>



<li><a href="https://riseup4abortionrights.org/">Rise Up 4 Abortion Rights</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.plannedparenthood.org/">Planned Parenthood</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.thomasmoresociety.org/">Thomas More Society</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmblemHealth">HIP (Health Insurance Plan of Greater New York)</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.kp.org/">Kaiser Permanente</a></li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading"><strong>Topics discussed</strong></h3>





<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States">Abortion rights in the United States</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade">Roe v. Wade</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobbs_v._Jackson_Women%27s_Health_Organization">Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment">Hyde Amendment</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_health">Women's health</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Hyde">Henry Hyde</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell">Jerry Falwell</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient%27s_Bill_of_Rights">Patient's Bill of Rights</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy">Patriarchy</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-wave_feminism">Second-wave feminism</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem">Gloria Steinem</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment">Equal Rights Amendment</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein">Jeffrey Epstein</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_Bessette-Kennedy">Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florynce_Kennedy">Florynce Kennedy</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Baird">Bill Baird</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism">Absurdism</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Frankl">Viktor Frankl / Logotherapy</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus">Sisyphus</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde">Oscar Wilde</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud">Sigmund Freud</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence">Artificial intelligence</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_More">Thomas More</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_I">Elizabeth I of England</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary,_Queen_of_Scots">Mary, Queen of Scots</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science">Christian Science</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses">Jehovah's Witnesses</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_psychology">Social psychology</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_rights">Animal rights</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid">Medicaid</a></li>



<li><a href="https://blacklivesmatter.com/">Black Lives Matter</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Russia">Abortion in Russia</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queens_College,_City_University_of_New_York">Queens College, CUNY</a></li>
</ul>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">About Merle Hoffman</h2>











<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Merle Hoffman is an internationally known leader in the struggle for women’s rights, a healthcare pioneer, founder of women’s health, political, and reproductive rights organizations, and a prize-winning writer and publisher. Her work spans 52 years and continues today, proving to be more essential and relevant than ever in the ongoing fight for women’s human rights, including the ability to make their own reproductive choices.</p>



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When abortion became legal in New York State in 1970, Merle Hoffman didn't celebrate—she got to work. While others were still absorbing the news, she opened one of the first standalone women's health clinics in the country. No medical guidelines existed for a procedure that had only ever been done in secret, so she wrote them. Her patients didn't know their rights, so she wrote those down, too—a document that became the blueprint for the federal Patient's Bill of Rights.



Fifty-plus years later, Hoffman is still at it—still running Choices Women's Medical Center in Queens, still fighting, and still asking the questions that don't have easy answers.



"It's an intrinsic trust in myself, which I've always noticed and always had. Things come to me and I feel them organically, and I want to do this, and I trust that my decision is the right decision. And I follow my own voice."




To call Merle Hoffman the owner of an abortion clinic is only to scratch the surface of her complexity. She's a pianist, a philosopher, an activist, a mother, and an adventurer in the world of spirituality. This is a conversation about courage, conviction, and what happens when we decide to trust ourselves.




"I can live in the question. I don't have to know. I don't know if we'll ever know. But the question is so incomparably deep, profound, interesting, frustrating."



Related:




Minibabble: Merle Hoffman follows her own voice




Mentioned in this episode



Books




Intimate Wars: The Life and Times of the Woman Who Brought Abortion from the Back Alley to the Boardroom by Merle Hoffman (Amazon • Bookshop.org)



CHOICES: A Post-Roe Abortion Rights Manifesto by Merle Hoffman (Amazon • Bookshop.org)



Our Bodies, Ourselves by the Boston Women's Health Book Collective (Amazon • Bookshop.org)



Sexual Politics by Kate Millett (Amazon • Bookshop.org)



Women and Madness by Phyllis Chesler (Amazon • Bookshop.org)



The Myth of Sisyphus by Albert Camus (Amazon • Bookshop.org)



Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl (Amazon • Bookshop.org)




Publications &amp; Organizations




Choices Women's Medical Center



On the Issues Magazine



Choices Global Institute



National Abortion Federation



National Coalition of Abortion Providers



New York Pro-Choice Coalition



Rise Up 4 Abortion Rights



Planned Parenthood



Thomas More Society



HIP (Health Insurance Plan of Greater New York)



Kaiser Permanente




Topics discussed






Abortion rights in the United States



Roe v. Wade



Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization



Hyde Amendment



Women's health



Henry Hyde



Jerry Falwell



Patient's Bill of Rights



Patriarchy



Second-wave feminism



Gloria Steinem



Equal Rights Amendment



Jeffrey Epstein



Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy



Florynce Kennedy



Bill Baird



Absurdism



Viktor Frankl / Logotherapy



Sisyphus



Oscar Wilde



Sigmund Freud



Artificial intelligence



Thomas More



Elizabeth I of England



Mary, Queen of Scots



Christian Science



Jehovah's Witnesses



Social psychology



Animal rights



Medicaid



Black Lives Matter



Abortion in Russia



Queens College, CUNY




About Merle Hoffman











Merle Hoffman is an internationally known leader in the struggle for women’s rights, a healthcare pioneer, founder of women’s health, political, and reproductive rights organizations, and a prize-winning writer and publisher. Her work spans 52 years and continues today, proving to be more essential and relevant than ever in the ongoing fight for women’s human rights, including the ability to make their own reproductive choices.



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When abortion became legal in New York State in 1970, Merle Hoffman didn't celebrate—she got to work. While others were still absorbing the news, she opened one of the first standalone women's health clinics in the country. No medical guidelines existed for a procedure that had only ever been done in secret, so she wrote them. Her patients didn't know their rights, so she wrote those down, too—a document that became the blueprint for the federal Patient's Bill of Rights.



Fifty-plus years later, Hoffman is still at it—still running Choices Women's Medical Center in Queens, still fighting, and still asking the questions that don't have easy answers.



"It's an intrinsic trust in myself, which I've always noticed and always had. Things come to me and I feel them organically, and I want to do this, and I trust that my decision is the right decision. And I follow my own voice."




To call Merle Hoffman the owner of an abortion clinic is only to scratch t]]></googleplay:description>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2026 22:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Cindy Cohn, retiring executive director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, speaks about the controversies regarding restriction of online speech. Addressing everything from breastfeeding forums to human rights abuses in Sudan, she argues forcefully that despite the drawbacks, we must conserver our right to speak freely and privately on the Internet.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Related: </strong></p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>"<a href="https://babblery.com/2026/05/fighting-for-a-better-online-world-with-cindy-cohn/">Fighting for a Better Online World with Cindy Cohn</a>"</li>



<li>"<a href="https://babblery.com/2026/05/minibabble-3-women-3-lawyers-3-ways-to-change-the-world/">Minibabble: 3 women. 3 lawyers. 3 ways to change the world.</a>"</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>News clip courtesy of <a href="https://www.npr.org/player/embed/fis-487793356-fbe271d0c6bf59a2cb8653a24902a4dc/fis-487793356-fbe271d0c6bf59a2cb8653a24902a4dc-enclosure-audio">NPR</a>.  "Silence" courtesy of  Unwoman at <a href="http://unwoman.com">Unwoman.com</a>.</em></p>]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Related: </strong></p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>"<a href="https://babblery.com/2026/05/fighting-for-a-better-online-world-with-cindy-cohn/">Fighting for a Better Online World with Cindy Cohn</a>"</li>



<li>"<a href="https://babblery.com/2026/05/minibabble-3-women-3-lawyers-3-ways-to-change-the-world/">Minibabble: 3 women. 3 lawyers. 3 ways to change the world.</a>"</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>News clip courtesy of <a href="https://www.npr.org/player/embed/fis-487793356-fbe271d0c6bf59a2cb8653a24902a4dc/fis-487793356-fbe271d0c6bf59a2cb8653a24902a4dc-enclosure-audio">NPR</a>.  "Silence" courtesy of  Unwoman at <a href="http://unwoman.com">Unwoman.com</a>.</em></p>]]></content:encoded>
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Related: 




"Fighting for a Better Online World with Cindy Cohn"



"Minibabble: 3 women. 3 lawyers. 3 ways to change the world."




News clip courtesy of NPR.  "Silence" courtesy of  Unwoman at Unwoman.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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Related: 




"Fighting for a Better Online World with Cindy Cohn"



"Minibabble: 3 women. 3 lawyers. 3 ways to change the world."




News clip courtesy of NPR.  "Silence" courtesy of  Unwoman at Unwoman.com.]]></googleplay:description>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2026 17:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suki Wessling]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">LaDoris Cordell, Denise Miranda, and Cindy Cohn are three very different women who have had three very different careers. But all three have drawn their inspiration from using their legal training to make a difference in the world. In this short excerpt, we explore how their legal training led them to fulfilling and meaningful careers.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Listen to the full episodes:</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Access the episode pages for links and notes.</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://babblery.com/2026/04/stepping-through-the-door-with-ladoris-cordell/">Stepping through the Door with LaDoris Cordell</a></li>



<li><a href="https://babblery.com/2026/05/rooted-in-service-with-human-rights-commissioner-denise-miranda/">Rooted in Service with Human Rights Commissioner Denise Miranda</a></li>



<li><a href="https://babblery.com/2026/05/fighting-for-a-better-online-world-with-cindy-cohn/">Fighting for a Better Online World with Cindy Cohn</a></li>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Listen to the full episodes:</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Access the episode pages for links and notes.</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://babblery.com/2026/04/stepping-through-the-door-with-ladoris-cordell/">Stepping through the Door with LaDoris Cordell</a></li>



<li><a href="https://babblery.com/2026/05/rooted-in-service-with-human-rights-commissioner-denise-miranda/">Rooted in Service with Human Rights Commissioner Denise Miranda</a></li>



<li><a href="https://babblery.com/2026/05/fighting-for-a-better-online-world-with-cindy-cohn/">Fighting for a Better Online World with Cindy Cohn</a></li>
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Listen to the full episodes:



Access the episode pages for links and notes.




Stepping through the Door with LaDoris Cordell



Rooted in Service with Human Rights Commissioner Denise Miranda



Fighting for a Better Online World with Cindy Cohn




"Silence" is courtesy of Unwoman at Unwoman.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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Listen to the full episodes:



Access the episode pages for links and notes.




Stepping through the Door with LaDoris Cordell



Rooted in Service with Human Rights Commissioner Denise Miranda



Fighting for a Better Online World with Cindy Cohn




"Silence" is courtesy of Unwoman at Unwoman.com.]]></googleplay:description>
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	<title>The Internet doesn&#8217;t have an anonymity problem—it has a body problem</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2026 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I went into my interview with Cindy Cohn of the Electronic Frontier Foundation ready to argue my case that anonymity is the problem. I came away with a more nuanced understanding.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/babblery/p/the-internet-doesnt-have-an-anonymity?r=h87dy&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;showWelcomeOnShare=true">Read the text on Substack</a> or listen here!</p>]]></description>
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	<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I went into my interview with Cindy Cohn of the Electronic Frontier Foundation ready to argue my case that anonymity is the problem. I came away with a more nuanced understanding.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/babblery/p/the-internet-doesnt-have-an-anonymity?r=h87dy&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;showWelcomeOnShare=true">Read the text on Substack</a> or listen here!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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	<title>Fighting for a Better Online World with Cindy Cohn</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 18:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Cindy Cohn joined the Electronic Frontier Foundation to argue cases like <a href="https://www.eff.org/cases/bernstein-v-us-dept-justice">Bernstein v. Dept. of Justice</a>, the successful First Amendment challenge to the U.S. export restrictions on cryptography. But she says that she actually spends more time on breastfeeding than any other topic.</p>



<p>" We've spent years trying to help women who have breastfeeding forums continue to have their forums when they get flagged for nudity because somebody's taking a picture and saying <em>she's not latching—how does this work?</em>"</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It's that wide experience, from cryptography and surveillance technologies to breastfeeding and stalking, that makes Cindy an unusual advocate for freedom of speech and privacy on the Internet. And it makes her a particularly interesting person to talk to about women's freedom of speech and privacy on the Internet, which forms the core of our conversation here. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Advocates for women are not universally convinced that continuing to insure privacy and free speech on the Internet is wholly good for women, who are often the targets of specific threats of bodily violence. But Cindy Cohn has an expansive view of what we can do with an open Internet, while also respecting women's rights. Tune in for a fascinating conversation!</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Mentioned in this episode:</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://amzn.to/3POA2m3"><em>Privacy’s Defender</em></a> by Cindy Cohn</li>



<li> EFF's podcast, <a href="https://www.eff.org/how-to-fix-the-internet-podcast">How to Fix the Internet</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Galperin">Eva Galperin</a></li>



<li>&nbsp;<a href="https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IN12389">The secret ballot in the United States</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obergefell_v._Hodges"> United States Supreme Court recognition of gay marriage</a>&nbsp;</li>



<li><a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/tools">Privacy protective tools from EFF</a></li>



<li> ”<a href="https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity">Free speech doctrine in the United States has always protected the right to anonymous speech</a>.”</li>



<li> Supreme Court case “<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAACP_v._Alabama"> NAACP versus Alabama</a>”</li>



<li><a href="https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-4/"> Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution</a></li>



<li><a href="https://reproductiverights.org/resources/roe-v-wade/">Roe v. Wade based on privacy</a></li>



<li>“ There's a woman in Nebraska who is serving two years in prison for having a conversation over Facebook Messages with her daughter to help her daughter get an abortion.” <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/23/us/nebraska-abortion-pill-jessica-burgess">CNN</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/index.html"> HIPAA</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.consumerreports.org/health/health-privacy/period-tracker-apps-privacy-a2278134145/">Period trackers and privacy</a></li>



<li><a href="https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa">California’s Internet Privacy protections</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/stop-censoring-abortion">EFF report on  censorship of reproductive information</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.gettheflockout.org/">Use of  license plate readers</a>&nbsp;</li>



<li><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2021/01/13/the-state-of-online-harassment/">Online harassment statistics</a></li>



<li><a href="https://mastodon.social/">Mastadon</a> and <a href="https://bsky.app/">Bluesky</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/01/online-behavioral-ads-fuel-surveillance-industry-heres-how"> Surveillance business model</a>&nbsp;</li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_network">Virtual Private Network</a> (VPN)
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://support.torproject.org/tor-vpn/">Tor</a></li>
</ul>
</li>



<li>New York Times home insurance pricing: “<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/business/dealbook/personalized-pricing.html">A Price Just for You, Specifically</a>”</li>



<li>“ Women who were doing job searches on Facebook would not see ads for CEOs or higher paid jobs.” <a href="https://csd.cmu.edu/news/fewer-women-than-men-are-shown-online-ads-related-to-highpaying-jobs">Pew Research</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_alignment">AI Research: Alignment</a>&nbsp;</li>



<li><a href="https://oal.ca.gov/publications/administrative_procedure_act/">Administrative Procedures Act</a></li>



<li>”<a href="https://kindbridge.com/online-pornography-age-verification-laws-by-state-map/">Online Pornography Age Verification Laws by U.S. State</a>”</li>



<li>“<a href="https://www.commonsensemedia.org/sites/default/files/research/report/2022-teens-and-pornography-final-web.pdf">Teens and Pornography</a>” (2022) from Common Sense Media</li>



<li><a href="https://www.brookings.edu/articles/childrens-online-safety-laws-are-failing-lgbtq-youth/">Conservatives believe LGBTQ content harms kids</a></li>



<li><a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9931280/">Breastfeeding forums</a></li>



<li>EFF founder <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Kapor">Mitch Kapor</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkC1aK7jfLo">Cindy Cohn on the Daily Show</a></li>
</ul>









Cindy Cohn of Electronic Frontier Foundation photogrphed by SRK Headshot Day in San Francisco, CA





<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Cindy Cohn is the Executive Director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. From 2000-2015 she served as EFF’s Legal Director as well as its General Counsel. &nbsp;Ms. Cohn first became involved with EFF in 1993, when EFF asked her to serve as the outside lead attorney in&nbsp;<a href="https://www.eff.org/cases/bernstein-v-us-dept-justice">Bernstein v. Dept. of Justice</a>, the successful First Amendment challenge to the U.S. export restrictions on cryptography.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ms. Cohn has been named to TheNonProfitTimes&nbsp;<em>2020 Power &amp; Influence TOP 50</em>&nbsp;list, honoring 2020's movers and shakers.&nbsp; In 2018, Forbes included Ms. Cohn as one of&nbsp;<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/helenpopkin/2018/11/29/forbes-list-americas-top-50-women-in-tech-2018/#17cee17a4b71">America's Top 50 Women in Tech</a>. The National Law Journal named Ms. Cohn one of 100 most influential lawyers in America in&nbsp;<a href="https://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202593197565&amp;The_100_Most_Influential_Lawyers_in_America&amp;slreturn=20130312173616">2013,</a>&nbsp;noting: "[I]f Big Brother is watching, he better look out for Cindy Cohn." She was also named in 2006 for "rushing to the barricades wherever freedom and civil liberties are at stake online."&nbsp; In 2007 the National Law Journal named her one of the 50 most influential women lawyers in America. In 2010 the Intellectual Property Section of the State Bar of California awarded her its Intellectual Property&nbsp;<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100826192755/https://ipsection.calbar.ca.gov/Education/TheIPInsitute/2010IPVanguardAwards.aspx">Vanguard Award</a>&nbsp;and in 2012 the Northern California Chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists awarded her the<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120521101438/https://www.spjnorcal.org:80/blog/2012/02/10/spj-norcal-names-first-amendment-honorees/">&nbsp;James Madison Freedom of Information Award</a>.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ms. Cohn is the author of the professional memoir, called&nbsp;<a href="https://www.eff.org/Privacys-Defender">Privacy's Defender</a>&nbsp;published by&nbsp;<a href="https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262051248/privacys-defender/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">MIT Press</a>&nbsp;in March, 2026.&nbsp;As part of promoting the book, she appeared on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkC1aK7jfLo" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Daily Show</a>&nbsp;in April, 2026.&nbsp;She is also the co-host of EFF's award-winning podcast,&nbsp;<a href="https://www.eff.org/how-to-fix-the-internet-podcast">How to Fix the Internet.</a></p>





<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>"Silence" courtesy of  Unwoman at <a href="http://unwoman.com">Unwoman.com</a>.</em></p>]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Cindy Cohn joined the Electronic Frontier Foundation to argue cases like Bernstein v. Dept. of Justice, the successful First Amendment challenge to the U.S. export restrictions on cryptography. But she says that she actually spends more time on breastfee]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Cindy Cohn joined the Electronic Frontier Foundation to argue cases like <a href="https://www.eff.org/cases/bernstein-v-us-dept-justice">Bernstein v. Dept. of Justice</a>, the successful First Amendment challenge to the U.S. export restrictions on cryptography. But she says that she actually spends more time on breastfeeding than any other topic.</p>



<p>" We've spent years trying to help women who have breastfeeding forums continue to have their forums when they get flagged for nudity because somebody's taking a picture and saying <em>she's not latching—how does this work?</em>"</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It's that wide experience, from cryptography and surveillance technologies to breastfeeding and stalking, that makes Cindy an unusual advocate for freedom of speech and privacy on the Internet. And it makes her a particularly interesting person to talk to about women's freedom of speech and privacy on the Internet, which forms the core of our conversation here. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Advocates for women are not universally convinced that continuing to insure privacy and free speech on the Internet is wholly good for women, who are often the targets of specific threats of bodily violence. But Cindy Cohn has an expansive view of what we can do with an open Internet, while also respecting women's rights. Tune in for a fascinating conversation!</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Mentioned in this episode:</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://amzn.to/3POA2m3"><em>Privacy’s Defender</em></a> by Cindy Cohn</li>



<li> EFF's podcast, <a href="https://www.eff.org/how-to-fix-the-internet-podcast">How to Fix the Internet</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Galperin">Eva Galperin</a></li>



<li>&nbsp;<a href="https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IN12389">The secret ballot in the United States</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obergefell_v._Hodges"> United States Supreme Court recognition of gay marriage</a>&nbsp;</li>



<li><a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/tools">Privacy protective tools from EFF</a></li>



<li> ”<a href="https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity">Free speech doctrine in the United States has always protected the right to anonymous speech</a>.”</li>



<li> Supreme Court case “<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAACP_v._Alabama"> NAACP versus Alabama</a>”</li>



<li><a href="https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-4/"> Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution</a></li>



<li><a href="https://reproductiverights.org/resources/roe-v-wade/">Roe v. Wade based on privacy</a></li>



<li>“ There's a woman in Nebraska who is serving two years in prison for having a conversation over Facebook Messages with her daughter to help her daughter get an abortion.” <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/23/us/nebraska-abortion-pill-jessica-burgess">CNN</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/index.html"> HIPAA</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.consumerreports.org/health/health-privacy/period-tracker-apps-privacy-a2278134145/">Period trackers and privacy</a></li>



<li><a href="https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa">California’s Internet Privacy protections</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.eff.org/pages/stop-censoring-abortion">EFF report on  censorship of reproductive information</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.gettheflockout.org/">Use of  license plate readers</a>&nbsp;</li>



<li><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2021/01/13/the-state-of-online-harassment/">Online harassment statistics</a></li>



<li><a href="https://mastodon.social/">Mastadon</a> and <a href="https://bsky.app/">Bluesky</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/01/online-behavioral-ads-fuel-surveillance-industry-heres-how"> Surveillance business model</a>&nbsp;</li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_network">Virtual Private Network</a> (VPN)
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://support.torproject.org/tor-vpn/">Tor</a></li>
</ul>
</li>



<li>New York Times home insurance pricing: “<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/business/dealbook/personalized-pricing.html">A Price Just for You, Specifically</a>”</li>



<li>“ Women who were doing job searches on Facebook would not see ads for CEOs or higher paid jobs.” <a href="https://csd.cmu.edu/news/fewer-women-than-men-are-shown-online-ads-related-to-highpaying-jobs">Pew Research</a></li>



<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_alignment">AI Research: Alignment</a>&nbsp;</li>



<li><a href="https://oal.ca.gov/publications/administrative_procedure_act/">Administrative Procedures Act</a></li>



<li>”<a href="https://kindbridge.com/online-pornography-age-verification-laws-by-state-map/">Online Pornography Age Verification Laws by U.S. State</a>”</li>



<li>“<a href="https://www.commonsensemedia.org/sites/default/files/research/report/2022-teens-and-pornography-final-web.pdf">Teens and Pornography</a>” (2022) from Common Sense Media</li>



<li><a href="https://www.brookings.edu/articles/childrens-online-safety-laws-are-failing-lgbtq-youth/">Conservatives believe LGBTQ content harms kids</a></li>



<li><a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9931280/">Breastfeeding forums</a></li>



<li>EFF founder <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Kapor">Mitch Kapor</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkC1aK7jfLo">Cindy Cohn on the Daily Show</a></li>
</ul>









Cindy Cohn of Electronic Frontier Foundation photogrphed by SRK Headshot Day in San Francisco, CA





<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Cindy Cohn is the Executive Director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. From 2000-2015 she served as EFF’s Legal Director as well as its General Counsel. &nbsp;Ms. Cohn first became involved with EFF in 1993, when EFF asked her to serve as the outside lead attorney in&nbsp;<a href="https://www.eff.org/cases/bernstein-v-us-dept-justice">Bernstein v. Dept. of Justice</a>, the successful First Amendment challenge to the U.S. export restrictions on cryptography.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ms. Cohn has been named to TheNonProfitTimes&nbsp;<em>2020 Power &amp; Influence TOP 50</em>&nbsp;list, honoring 2020's movers and shakers.&nbsp; In 2018, Forbes included Ms. Cohn as one of&nbsp;<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/helenpopkin/2018/11/29/forbes-list-americas-top-50-women-in-tech-2018/#17cee17a4b71">America's Top 50 Women in Tech</a>. The National Law Journal named Ms. Cohn one of 100 most influential lawyers in America in&nbsp;<a href="https://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202593197565&amp;The_100_Most_Influential_Lawyers_in_America&amp;slreturn=20130312173616">2013,</a>&nbsp;noting: "[I]f Big Brother is watching, he better look out for Cindy Cohn." She was also named in 2006 for "rushing to the barricades wherever freedom and civil liberties are at stake online."&nbsp; In 2007 the National Law Journal named her one of the 50 most influential women lawyers in America. In 2010 the Intellectual Property Section of the State Bar of California awarded her its Intellectual Property&nbsp;<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100826192755/https://ipsection.calbar.ca.gov/Education/TheIPInsitute/2010IPVanguardAwards.aspx">Vanguard Award</a>&nbsp;and in 2012 the Northern California Chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists awarded her the<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120521101438/https://www.spjnorcal.org:80/blog/2012/02/10/spj-norcal-names-first-amendment-honorees/">&nbsp;James Madison Freedom of Information Award</a>.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ms. Cohn is the author of the professional memoir, called&nbsp;<a href="https://www.eff.org/Privacys-Defender">Privacy's Defender</a>&nbsp;published by&nbsp;<a href="https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262051248/privacys-defender/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">MIT Press</a>&nbsp;in March, 2026.&nbsp;As part of promoting the book, she appeared on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkC1aK7jfLo" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Daily Show</a>&nbsp;in April, 2026.&nbsp;She is also the co-host of EFF's award-winning podcast,&nbsp;<a href="https://www.eff.org/how-to-fix-the-internet-podcast">How to Fix the Internet.</a></p>





<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>"Silence" courtesy of  Unwoman at <a href="http://unwoman.com">Unwoman.com</a>.</em></p>]]></content:encoded>
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" We've spent years trying to help women who have breastfeeding forums continue to have their forums when they get flagged for nudity because somebody's taking a picture and saying she's not latching—how does this work?"



It's that wide experience, from cryptography and surveillance technologies to breastfeeding and stalking, that makes Cindy an unusual advocate for freedom of speech and privacy on the Internet. And it makes her a particularly interesting person to talk to about women's freedom of speech and privacy on the Internet, which forms the core of our conversation here. 



Advocates for women are not universally convinced that continuing to insure privacy and free speech on the Internet is wholly good for women, who are often the targets of specific threats of bodily violence. But Cindy Cohn has an expansive view of what we can do with an open Internet, while also respecting women's rights. Tune in for a fascinating conversation!



Mentioned in this episode:




Privacy’s Defender by Cindy Cohn



 EFF's podcast, How to Fix the Internet



Eva Galperin



&nbsp;The secret ballot in the United States



 United States Supreme Court recognition of gay marriage&nbsp;



Privacy protective tools from EFF



 ”Free speech doctrine in the United States has always protected the right to anonymous speech.”



 Supreme Court case “ NAACP versus Alabama”



 Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution



Roe v. Wade based on privacy



“ There's a woman in Nebraska who is serving two years in prison for having a conversation over Facebook Messages with her daughter to help her daughter get an abortion.” CNN



 HIPAA



Period trackers and privacy



California’s Internet Privacy protections



EFF report on  censorship of reproductive information



Use of  license plate readers&nbsp;



Online harassment statistics



Mastadon and Bluesky



 Surveillance business model&nbsp;



Virtual Private Network (VPN)

Tor





New York Times home insurance pricing: “A Price Just for You, Specifically”



“ Women who were doing job searches on Facebook would not see ads for CEOs or higher paid jobs.” Pew Research



AI Research: Alignment&nbsp;



Administrative Procedures Act



”Online Pornography Age Verification Laws by U.S. State”



“Teens and Pornography” (2022) from Common Sense Media



Conservatives believe LGBTQ content harms kids



Breastfeeding forums



EFF founder Mitch Kapor



Cindy Cohn on the Daily Show










Cindy Cohn of Electronic Frontier Foundation photogrphed by SRK Headshot Day in San Francisco, CA





Cindy Cohn is the Executive Director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. From 2000-2015 she served as EFF’s Legal Director as well as its General Counsel. &nbsp;Ms. Cohn first became involved with EFF in 1993, when EFF asked her to serve as the outside lead attorney in&nbsp;Bernstein v. Dept. of Justice, the successful First Amendment challenge to the U.S. export restrictions on cryptography.&nbsp;



Ms. Cohn has been named to TheNonProfitTimes&nbsp;2020 Power &amp; Influence TOP 50&nbsp;list, honoring 2020's movers and shakers.&nbsp; In 2018, Forbes included Ms. Cohn as one of&nbsp;America's Top 50 Women in Tech. The National Law Journal named Ms. Cohn one of 100 most influential lawyers in America in&nbsp;2013,&nbsp;noting: "[I]f Big Brother is watching, he better look out for Cindy Cohn." She was also named in 2006 for "rushing to the barricades wherever freedom and civil liberties are at stake online."&nbsp; In 2007 the National Law Journal named her one of the 50 most influential women lawyers in America. In 2010 the Intellectual Property Section of the State Bar of California awarded her its Intellectual P]]></itunes:summary>
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" We've spent years trying to help women who have breastfeeding forums continue to have their forums when they get flagged for nudity because somebody's taking a picture and saying she's not latching—how does this work?"



It's that wide experience, from cryptography and surveillance technologies to breastfeeding and stalking, that makes Cindy an unusual advocate for freedom of speech and privacy on the Internet. And it makes her a particularly interesting person to talk to about women's freedom of speech and privacy on the Internet, which forms the core of our conversation here. 



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	<title>Rooted in Service with Human Rights Commissioner Denise Miranda</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Denise Miranda is New York State's top civil rights official, the head of an agency that is charged with monitoring and promoting civil rights in the state. She's also a proud native of the Bronx, daughter of Puerto Rican-born parents, and a mother. It's an unusual time for Denise—a Black Latina—to be in charge of the part of the government so despised by New York's most famous native son.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Denise sees herself not as protecting certain groups of people, but fostering a culture that respects the rights of all people. She sees New York State as part of the bulwark against the normalization of hate and marginalization promoted by our current federal administration. And she offers up her own life as proof that rootedness and pride in our culture is not just an attribute of white Americans—it's an essential characteristic that spans all the divisions so emphasized our current political climate.</p>



<p>"This notion that somehow I've got to make sure that I put these other people down or else I'm not going to have a chance to win, is absolutely rooted in ignorance and it's rooted in racism."</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Denise Miranda is on the board of Women Creating Change. Thanks to CEO Sharon Sewell Fairman and Board Chair Penny Cagan for connecting The Babblery with Denise and other fabulous New York women.</em></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">In this episode:</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li class="">New York State
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li class="">New York State <a href="https://dhr.ny.gov/">Division of Human Rights</a> — official website</li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.governor.ny.gov/">Governor Kathy Hochul</a> — official website</li>



<li class=""><a href="https://dhr.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2025/10/hrl-print.pdf">New York State Human Rights Law</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://dhr.ny.gov/nohate">New York State's Hate and Bias Prevention Unit</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.mcny.org/exhibition/civil-rights">History of civil rights in New York State</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://ocfs.ny.gov/main/">Office of Children and Family Services</a> (OCFS)</li>
</ul>
</li>



<li class="">Legal
<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li class=""><a href="https://www.pbs.org/tpt/constitution-usa-peter-sagal/equality/due-process-equal-protection-and-disenfranchisement/">14th Amendment — equal protection clause</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/civil-rights-act">The Civil Rights Act of 1964</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-v-wade-and-supreme-court-abortion-cases">Roe v. Wade — history and the Dobbs decision that overturned it</a></li>
</ul>
</li>



<li class=""><a href="https://wccny.org/">Women Creating Change</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.governor.ny.gov/eliminating-distractions-new-york-schools/new-york-state-phone-free-schools-law">Cell phone restrictions in New York schools</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.thirteen.org/bronx/history.html">The Bronx — history and demographics</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://savingplaces.org/stories/becoming-nuyorican-history-puerto-rican-migration-nyc">Puerto Rican migration to New York City</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-justice/dei-and-accessibility-explained">DEI (Diversity, Equity and Inclusion)</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2025/04/22/teens-social-media-and-mental-health/">Social media's impact on youth mental health</a></li>
</ul>











<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Denise M. Miranda, Esq. was nominated by Governor Kathy Hochul in March 2024 and confirmed by the New York State Senate in May 2025 to serve as the Commissioner of the New York State Division of Human Rights, which is dedicated to eliminating discrimination, remedying injustice and promoting equal opportunity, access, and dignity. Under Commissioner Miranda’s leadership, the Division has launched ambitious efforts to overhaul the agency’s discrimination complaint intake and case management processes while also implementing vital organizational changes and operational improvements. These essential upgrades have resulted in a bolder, more powerful, and more efficient Division that is prepared to protect the rights of all New Yorkers at a time when that mission has never been more critical. Commissioner Miranda has spent her nearly 30 years career actively engaged in the practice of law, focusing on social justice issues and protecting the rights of vulnerable individuals.</p>





<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Music:</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li class=""><a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/The_Womb/davinas-mixtape-venice-2004/new-york-sitcom-life-imitating-art/">New York Sitcom (Life Imitating Art)</a> by The Womb courtesy of the Free Music Archive</li>



<li class=""><a href="https://loyaltyfreakmusic.com/music/surtout-ne-pas-se-perdre-2010-2026/">You know it’s an old song because I try to fingerstyle</a> by Rrrrrose Azerty courtesy of Loyalty Freak Music</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"></p>]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Denise Miranda is New York States top civil rights official, the head of an agency that is charged with monitoring and promoting civil rights in the state. Shes also a proud native of the Bronx, daughter of Puerto Rican-born parents, and a mother. Its an]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Denise Miranda is New York State's top civil rights official, the head of an agency that is charged with monitoring and promoting civil rights in the state. She's also a proud native of the Bronx, daughter of Puerto Rican-born parents, and a mother. It's an unusual time for Denise—a Black Latina—to be in charge of the part of the government so despised by New York's most famous native son.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Denise sees herself not as protecting certain groups of people, but fostering a culture that respects the rights of all people. She sees New York State as part of the bulwark against the normalization of hate and marginalization promoted by our current federal administration. And she offers up her own life as proof that rootedness and pride in our culture is not just an attribute of white Americans—it's an essential characteristic that spans all the divisions so emphasized our current political climate.</p>



<p>"This notion that somehow I've got to make sure that I put these other people down or else I'm not going to have a chance to win, is absolutely rooted in ignorance and it's rooted in racism."</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Denise Miranda is on the board of Women Creating Change. Thanks to CEO Sharon Sewell Fairman and Board Chair Penny Cagan for connecting The Babblery with Denise and other fabulous New York women.</em></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">In this episode:</h2>



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<li class="">New York State
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<li class="">New York State <a href="https://dhr.ny.gov/">Division of Human Rights</a> — official website</li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.governor.ny.gov/">Governor Kathy Hochul</a> — official website</li>



<li class=""><a href="https://dhr.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2025/10/hrl-print.pdf">New York State Human Rights Law</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://dhr.ny.gov/nohate">New York State's Hate and Bias Prevention Unit</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.mcny.org/exhibition/civil-rights">History of civil rights in New York State</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://ocfs.ny.gov/main/">Office of Children and Family Services</a> (OCFS)</li>
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<li class="">Legal
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<li class=""><a href="https://www.pbs.org/tpt/constitution-usa-peter-sagal/equality/due-process-equal-protection-and-disenfranchisement/">14th Amendment — equal protection clause</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/civil-rights-act">The Civil Rights Act of 1964</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-v-wade-and-supreme-court-abortion-cases">Roe v. Wade — history and the Dobbs decision that overturned it</a></li>
</ul>
</li>



<li class=""><a href="https://wccny.org/">Women Creating Change</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.governor.ny.gov/eliminating-distractions-new-york-schools/new-york-state-phone-free-schools-law">Cell phone restrictions in New York schools</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.thirteen.org/bronx/history.html">The Bronx — history and demographics</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://savingplaces.org/stories/becoming-nuyorican-history-puerto-rican-migration-nyc">Puerto Rican migration to New York City</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-justice/dei-and-accessibility-explained">DEI (Diversity, Equity and Inclusion)</a></li>



<li class=""><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2025/04/22/teens-social-media-and-mental-health/">Social media's impact on youth mental health</a></li>
</ul>











<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Denise M. Miranda, Esq. was nominated by Governor Kathy Hochul in March 2024 and confirmed by the New York State Senate in May 2025 to serve as the Commissioner of the New York State Division of Human Rights, which is dedicated to eliminating discrimination, remedying injustice and promoting equal opportunity, access, and dignity. Under Commissioner Miranda’s leadership, the Division has launched ambitious efforts to overhaul the agency’s discrimination complaint intake and case management processes while also implementing vital organizational changes and operational improvements. These essential upgrades have resulted in a bolder, more powerful, and more efficient Division that is prepared to protect the rights of all New Yorkers at a time when that mission has never been more critical. Commissioner Miranda has spent her nearly 30 years career actively engaged in the practice of law, focusing on social justice issues and protecting the rights of vulnerable individuals.</p>





<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Music:</h2>



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<li class=""><a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/The_Womb/davinas-mixtape-venice-2004/new-york-sitcom-life-imitating-art/">New York Sitcom (Life Imitating Art)</a> by The Womb courtesy of the Free Music Archive</li>



<li class=""><a href="https://loyaltyfreakmusic.com/music/surtout-ne-pas-se-perdre-2010-2026/">You know it’s an old song because I try to fingerstyle</a> by Rrrrrose Azerty courtesy of Loyalty Freak Music</li>
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Denise sees herself not as protecting certain groups of people, but fostering a culture that respects the rights of all people. She sees New York State as part of the bulwark against the normalization of hate and marginalization promoted by our current federal administration. And she offers up her own life as proof that rootedness and pride in our culture is not just an attribute of white Americans—it's an essential characteristic that spans all the divisions so emphasized our current political climate.



"This notion that somehow I've got to make sure that I put these other people down or else I'm not going to have a chance to win, is absolutely rooted in ignorance and it's rooted in racism."



Denise Miranda is on the board of Women Creating Change. Thanks to CEO Sharon Sewell Fairman and Board Chair Penny Cagan for connecting The Babblery with Denise and other fabulous New York women.



In this episode:




New York State

New York State Division of Human Rights — official website



Governor Kathy Hochul — official website



New York State Human Rights Law



New York State's Hate and Bias Prevention Unit



History of civil rights in New York State



Office of Children and Family Services (OCFS)





Legal

14th Amendment — equal protection clause



The Civil Rights Act of 1964



Roe v. Wade — history and the Dobbs decision that overturned it





Women Creating Change



Cell phone restrictions in New York schools



The Bronx — history and demographics



Puerto Rican migration to New York City



DEI (Diversity, Equity and Inclusion)



Social media's impact on youth mental health












Denise M. Miranda, Esq. was nominated by Governor Kathy Hochul in March 2024 and confirmed by the New York State Senate in May 2025 to serve as the Commissioner of the New York State Division of Human Rights, which is dedicated to eliminating discrimination, remedying injustice and promoting equal opportunity, access, and dignity. Under Commissioner Miranda’s leadership, the Division has launched ambitious efforts to overhaul the agency’s discrimination complaint intake and case management processes while also implementing vital organizational changes and operational improvements. These essential upgrades have resulted in a bolder, more powerful, and more efficient Division that is prepared to protect the rights of all New Yorkers at a time when that mission has never been more critical. Commissioner Miranda has spent her nearly 30 years career actively engaged in the practice of law, focusing on social justice issues and protecting the rights of vulnerable individuals.





Music:




New York Sitcom (Life Imitating Art) by The Womb courtesy of the Free Music Archive



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